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NETFLIX MAKING A MURDERER — BRENDAN DASSEY’S CONFESSION

Several years ago, Netflix released a highly popular series called Making a Murderer. It covered the case where Steven Avery and his nephew, 16-year-old Brendan Dassey, were convicted in the first-degree murder of Teresa Halbach that occurred in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin on October 31, 2005. Both were sentenced to life imprisonment—Avery with no possibility of parole and Dassey eligible to apply in 2048. While the evidence against Avery is strong, the facts supporting Dassey’s guilt hinge solely on his police confession to which there’s a high likelihood of being false and obtained under significant coercion with psychological manipulation.

I recently published a piece titled Netflix Making a Murderer. Did Police Really Frame Steven Avery? It covers the evidence that convicted Avery and concludes Avery was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I ended the post by saying I had severe doubts about the validity of Brendan Dassey’s confession.

For the past three weeks, I’ve closely looked at Brendan Dassey’s side of the Teresa Halbach murder file. This was a complex and time-consuming task as there’s a lot of material available, and that’s an understatement. At the heart of the issue is determining if Dassey truly was involved as a murder accomplice with Avery as he inconsistently claimed in his recorded confession. Or, the question also asks, “Did Brendan Dassey falsely confess and therefore was wrongly convicted?” which would be a horrific miscarriage of justice.

As I remarked, this is a highly complex subject that I’ve spent hours examining, and it’s impossible to cover all the details in a blog post. I’ve reached a conclusion, based on the balance of probabilities and from my personal experience with investigating homicides and obtaining murder confessions. First, let’s review the case facts, look at who Brendan Dassey is, and then discuss the issues in play that led to Dassey’s conviction.

If you haven’t already done so, it’s worthwhile to read the prequel post Netflix Making a Murderer. Did Police Really Frame Steven Avery?

Teresa Halbach was a 24-year-old photographer who attended Avery’s auto salvage business to photo a vehicle Avery wanted to list on Autotrader. She was reported missing two days later. On November 6, 2005, her incinerated body was found in a burn pile behind Avery’s shop. Other items belonging to Halbach were also located—her vehicle, camera, phone, and an ignition key found in Avery’s bedroom. Forensic evidence indisputably linked Avery to the crime, and a bullet also linked her shot body to Steven Avery’s rifle.

In February 2006, Brendan Dassey surfaced as an accomplice suspect. Following a chain of police interviews—interrogations if you like—Dassey made progressive statements where he went from knowing nothing to claiming to have raped Halbach, slit her throat, and helped Avery burn her body. He was convicted based on his statements alone, and there was absolutely no corroborating physical or other evidence to support that his confession was truthful Subsequently, Dassey’s conviction has been upheld, and his appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States has been denied. Dassey remains in jail under a strong probability of being completely innocent.

Brendan Dassey and His Legal Path

Brendan Ray Dassey was born on October 19, 1989, in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin to parents Barbara and Peter Dassey. He was raised along with four brothers in a mobile home located on the Avery property and, in the fall of 2005, attended Mishicot High School. Dassey struggled with education and communication. His IQ was rated at 65 which classified as cognitively disabled and borderline for mentally handicapped. Some of his classes were in the special education category, and he was failing at three of those.

Brendan Dassey was described as quiet and introverted with an interest in WWE wrestling, animals, and video games. He appeared slow to comprehend and slow to respond. This is clearly evident in his recorded police engagements. Before this case, Dassy had no contact with the criminal justice system and was not a troublemaker.

Dassey’s first police interview in the Halbach murder was on November 6, 2005. He was returning to the Avery property and riding in Steven Avery’s car driven by Dassey’s older brother. The police were onsite investigating Halbach’s disappearance, and they had a warrant to search that vehicle.

Brendan Dassey was isolated in the back of a police car and spoken to by officers who wanted to know if Dassey had seen Halbach on the property. Dassey stated he had not and had no information to offer that would assist in locating Halbach and determining what happened to her. This interview was audio recorded, but Dassey was not under arrest and did not have his rights read to him.

The police continued the Halbach investigation during November and December of 2005. During this period, they focussed solely on Steven Avery and assumed he’d acted alone. There was no evidence to suspect otherwise, and Brendan Dassey wasn’t on their radar.

This changed in January 2006, when Kayla Avery (Brendan Dassey’s cousin) confided to a school counselor that she suspected Dassey knew something about the Halbach murder. Kayla stated Dassey was “acting weird”—not sleeping and had lost a lot of weight—and becoming very emotional over trivial matters. This went unreported to authorities until it became a tip to the police on February 20, 2006.

On that afternoon, Detectives O’Neill and Baldwin (the same pair who spoke to Dassey on November 6, 2005) attended Dassey’s high school. They interviewed him in a private room and asked him general questions about the case. Dassey said he knew nothing but seemed evasive about seeing Teresa Halbach on the property.

O’Neill and Baldwin conferred with detectives Mark Weigert and Tom Fassbender who would handle Brendan Dassey from then on. Weigert and Fassbender went to Dassey’s high school on February 27, 2006, and spoke with him privately for an hour and forty-five minutes. He was not read his rights (the Miranda warning) and had no lawyer or adult present to represent him, however the interview was recorded, and all conversation remains on the record. Towards the end, Dassey, under pressure from the detectives, indicated he had seen Teresa Halbach on the property talking with Steven Avery on the afternoon of October 31, 2005.

The detectives switched tactics from a ‘soft” interview style to what many criticize as a controversial “hard” interrogation process known in law enforcement as the Reid Technique. Employing the Reid Technique to induce a confession is a core issue with today’s online critics assessing whether Brendan Dassey falsely confessed, and we’ll go much further into that arena in a bit. As well, we’ll examine the effect the Miranda Warning had on Brendan Dassey, the lack of legal representation during subsequent police contact, and whether his mental capacity was suitable to truly understand the incriminating statements he was about to make.

At 3:21 pm on February 27, 2006, Detectives Weigert and Fassbender began a firmer interrogation on Brendan Dassey. They’d taken him from school to the police station where they contained him in an audio/video room specifically designed for interrogations. The recording shows that the officers read Dassey his Miranda rights but were specific that he was not under arrest and was free to go at any time. Dassey waived his rights, and no lawyer or supportive adult was present.

The interrogation lasted forty-three minutes and ended when Dassey stated that Avery had told him what happened—Avery stabbed Halbach and transported her body to the firepit on a snowmobile sled. Further, Dassey alleged that Avery told him he hid the knife under Halbach’s vehicle seat.

Now the detectives took an unusual step. They contacted Dassey’s mother and had her and Brendan taken to a hotel and kept overnight under police guard. It’s assumed the detectives returned to the Avery property for a search, and it’s recorded that Weigert and Fassbender went to the hotel late in the evening and had an unrecorded conversation with Brendan Dassey.

On the morning of March 1, 2006, Weigert and Fassbender had a four-hour and nineteen-minute recorded session with Dassey. This time, they used a soft interview setting, and this video became the central piece of incriminating evidence used to convict Dassey. It’s meandering to view and considerably complex to understand exactly what Dassey says.

To paraphrase rambling, he eventually states he was with Steven Avery while Avery had Teresa Halbach tied naked to a bed while they both raped her. Then, according to Dassey’s confession, Avery stabbed and shot Halbach and both took her body to the burn pit. In one fleeting moment, Brendan Dassey says he cut Teresa Halbach’s throat, and this is the statement portion that secured his first-degree murder conviction.

Watch the Brendan Dassey confession video.

Brendan Dassey was charged with Halbach’s murder and remained in custody through his lengthy legal process. He was convicted in a jury trial on April 27, 2007, and was sentenced (at 17 years old) to life imprisonment. His first appeal was denied and Dassey entered the mainstream penitentiary system.

In 2010, Dassey entered a motion for a retrial based on the grounds of rights infringement leading to a false confession. It was denied by the trial court and reaffirmed denial by the Wisconsin Court of Appeals in January 2013. The Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to review that denial, and it wasn’t until the first Netflix series Making a Murder aired in 2015 that Dassey’s case took on a new life. There was so much public outcry that Dasey’s new lawyer, Laura Nirider, successfully won a writ of habeas corpus in a federal court that ordered a judicial review on the grounds that Dassey’s juvenile confession had been coerced and therefore was involuntary and unconstitutional.

In August 2016, United States magistrate judge William E. Duffin agreed with the false confession position. He called the case a “horrific miscarriage of justice”. Subsequently, the Wisconsin Justice Department appealed Duffin’s decision to the US Court of Appeals for the Seventh District which agreed to review matters but denied Dassey’s release from custody.

In June 2017, a three-panel of appellate judges upheld the magistrate’s decision to overturn Dassey’s conviction, but the justice department immediately filed an en banc rehearing where the entire appellate panel must rule, not three judges but all seven. On December 8, 2017, the panel voted 4-3 to reinstate Dassey’s conviction. Brendan Dassey lost his final legal battle on June 25, 2018, when the United States Supreme Court refused to hear the matter—no reasons given. He now remains in prison until at least 2048.

So, that’s the timeline and the case facts of how Brendan Dassey’s legal path played out. Let’s look at whether there was any fact in the confession that caused this path, and this starts with examining if his confession or statement to the police was legal.

Admissibility of Statements Given to Persons in Authority

The core legal argument around Dassey’s conviction is that his confession—a statement, in legal terms—should not have been admitted or allowed to be entered as evidence at his jury trial. After all, there was absolutely no physical or other incriminating evidence to independently support or corroborate that Dassey was being truthful in his March 1, 2006, statement during his interrogation with Detectives Weingert and Fassbender. Without Dassey’s confession, the state had no evidence against him, and the charges would have to have been dismissed.

Note that of all the interview/interrogation sessions Dassey encountered with the police (who are considered persons in authority)—seven in total as there were two more after his March 1, 2006, statement—only one was brought before the court and ruled on about admissibility. The process of ruling on a statement’s admissibility is called voir dire which is a trial within a trial and held away from the jury’s presence. If the voir dire finds the statement to meet the admissibility threshold, then the jury is allowed to see and hear the evidence. If the voir dire finds the statement is ruled inadmissible, then the evidence cannot be presented.

There are two main tests for the admissibility of statements given to persons in authority. One is that the statement must be voluntary. The other is that it must be given from a clear and operating mind. Voluntariness is subjective. The statement cannot be coerced or induced by threat or promise of favor. Free and operating mind is objective. The statement maker must know what they are doing and what the ramifications are for making their statement. In other words, they knew what they were getting into.

As strange as it might sound, there’s no legal requirement that the statement be true. If a confession is false—as in the person lying or making up the confession—that has no bearing on its admissibility. If the judge, as the trier of law, determines the accused provided the statement voluntarily through a free and operating mind, then they are required to allow the jury to access it. It’s the jurors, as the triers of fact, who determine how reliable or truthful the evidence from the statement or confession is.

The fundamental question is, “Do the jurors believe the accused person is telling the truth when they confess to a crime?” It’s of no concern to the jurors as to how the confession was obtained. It’s just a matter of credibility, and the jurors in Brendan Dassey’s trial must have believed his confession as it was the only evidence of Dassey’s put before them and they convicted him of first-degree murder (planned and deliberate) based upon his statement evidence.

Miranda and an Accused Person’s Rights

There’s a long-standing US Supreme Court ruling called Miranda where a person dealing with the police, as a suspect or an accused, must be read their rights by the officers involved with the proceedings. This dates to 1966 in Miranda v Arizona where Ernesto Arturo Miranda was charged with robbery, kidnapping, and rape. The ruling affirmed that Miranda’s 5th and 6th Amendment rights were violated upon his arrest and interrogation, so the evidence gleaned from not telling Miranda about his right to remain silent and his right to a lawyer was not admissible. The operating words in Miranda are arrest, custody, and interrogation.

There is no standard Miranda rights wording. The requirement lies in the authorities telling a suspect or detainee:

  • They have the right to remain silent.
  • Anything the suspect does say can and may be used against them in a court of law.
  • They have the right to have an attorney present before and during the questioning.
  • They have the right, if they cannot afford the services of an attorney, to have one appointed, at public expense and without cost to them, to represent them before and during the questioning.

Over the years, Miranda warnings (cautionings) have evolved into pretty much this:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time.

Officer Arresting Young Man

A key issue explored at a criminal trial is not that a Miranda warning was issued. It must, but it’s whether the accused person understood the concept and whether they exercised or waived their rights when incriminating themselves. This loops to a freely operating mind and voluntariness which, in turn, loops to the influence of threats, promises, inducements, and coercion. And, although not required, veracity of the information—is it true? And can the truth be independently corroborated by facts, preferably key facts which are only known to the perpetrator of the crime and the inner investigation circle?

Threats, Promises, Inducements, Coercion, and the Reid Interrogation Technique

All criminal investigation conversations involve discourse between civilians and persons in authority. Interviews, generally, are non-confrontational, fact-finding, information-gathering sessions. Interrogations, on the other hand, are adversarial, guilt-finding confrontations. Interviews don’t require Miranda warnings. Interrogations do.

Brendan Dassey’s first two contacts with persons in authority were fact-finding interviews. The second raised police suspicions that Dassey knew more than he was telling and, possibly, was Steven Avery’s accomplice. This moved the fence in his third police contact on February 27, 2006, when the detectives elicited from Dassey that he saw Teresa Halbach with Steven Avery and they suspected Dassey probably knew a lot more of what happened, as in aiding and abetting Avery to kill Halbach.

In reviewing the transcripts from the February 27 schoolhouse interview to the same-day police station interrogation, I can clearly see Detectives Weigert and Fassbender moving their strategy from interview to interrogation There’s no question, in my opinion, that Weigert and Fassbender knew exactly what they were doing. Like me, they were schooled in the Reid Interrogation Technique and had previously practiced it.

Properly employed, Reid works. But I have to say, at this point in this post, that all Reid confessions MUST be backed up by independent corroborative facts that verify truthfulness in confessions, and that they were not induced by threats, promises, and coercion that can elicit false confessions. Reid has many critics, in the legal world and the online world, and they all point to the potential of false confessions resulting from the psychological manipulation power practiced in Reid. Here’s a previous blog post I wrote about the Reid Interrogation Technique. Let’s quickly review what Reid is and later see if the technique contributed to Brendan Dassey’s confession as many learned and armchair critics claim as fact.

The Reid Technique was developed in the 1960s by an American polygraphist named John Reid. It’s a blueprint for psychologically manipulating criminals into confessing to their crimes. It’s standard training for investigators and has been used thousands and thousands of times to elicit confessions. A textbook Reid Technique interrogation involves nine progressive steps:

1. Confrontation — The interrogator presents the facts and asks for response.

2. Theme Development — The interrogator develops a story of why the crime happened.

3. Stopping Denials — Any denials by the suspect are shot down.

4. Overcoming Objections — The interrogator focuses on the truth.

5. Getting Suspect’s Attention — Keep the suspect listening to the narrative.

6. Suspect Loses Resolve — Denials are stopped and objections are overcome.

7. Alternatives — The interrogator offers a way out and that is to confess.

8. Bringing Suspect Into Conversation — Getting the suspect to talk.

9. The Confession — The suspect is psychologically broken and confesses.

Note that I said a “textbook” Reid confession. In these nine steps, an interrogator must play within the Miranda and admissibility rules for the confession to be used as evidence of guilt. If the rules are violated, then regardless of how skillfully a Reid Technique was applied, the evidentiary value is worthless. The same goes for truthfulness and that’s were independent corroboration comes in. Let’s now examine Brendan Dassey’s confession that earned him life behind bars.

Brendan Dassey’s Confession

On March 1, 2006, Detectives Weigert and Fassbender interrogated Brendan Dassey in a video/audio recorded and controlled environment. I’ve watched and dissected the four-hour and nineteen-minute session, and I can confidently say this is not the “dangerous” classic or textbook Reid procedure that so many internet critics and legal analysts claim produces false confessions. The detectives didn’t have to use a full Reid. They’d already aligned with Brendan Dassey from 1 to 7. They only used Step 8—Bringing Suspect Into Conversation. The overall Reid Technique’s progressive psychological breakdown had nothing to do with causing Brendan Dassey to say he helped rape and murder Teresa Halbach.

What Detectives Weigert and Fassbender did was simply pry words from Dassey’s mouth, bit-by-bit over a long, long time. They used a constant theme of telling the truth, and by telling the truth, things would “go much easier on him in the long run”. However, this is an outstanding violation of the admissibility test where an inducement is offered by promise of favor. This wasn’t a one-time infraction. The entire converse is loaded with coaxing. There is no way Brendan Dassey would have said the incriminating and damaging statements he made if the detectives hadn’t continually induced him.  It was wrenched out of a low functioning kid. There was nothing voluntary about this.

Watch the Brendan Dassey confession video.

In fairness to Detectives Weigert and Fassbender, at no time were they rude, threatening, or in any way aggressive to Dassey. They were somewhat deceitful, which is a court-accepted tactic, but I believe they were acting in what they thought was good faith for the interest of Teresa Halbach’s murder case. Their flaw, however, was having a preconceived picture of where Dassey might have fit with Steven Avery’s actions. The entire shape of the interrogation was to have Dassey admit to some version of their theory. For this reason alone, to preserve fairness in the process, the confession should not have been admitted into evidence and therefore Brendan Dassey should not have been convicted because of his confession—his statement to the police.

A second reason to have the confession legally set aside is the issue of a free and operating mind. From the opening minutes of the interrogation video, it’s apparent Brendan Dassey is cognitively impaired. He’s a vulnerable youth—a naïve and unsophisticated sixteen-year-old boy with the mental capacity of a child facing two seasoned homicide detectives. And he’s unrepresented by a lawyer. Not even his mother was there.

Now, nonrepresentation isn’t a Miranda violation, but Dassey’s ability to knowingly and intelligently waive his rights, and appreciate the seriousness of the situation that was about to affect the rest of his life, simply was not there.

This brings me to assess the reliability of what Brendan Dassey says in his confession. He’s all over the place when it comes to detail. Most of his inconsistent, yet incriminating, moments come when he agrees to suggestions put forward by his interrogators. There was nothing Dassey says that can be verified as truthful through independent corroboration which is critically necessary to support such a damaging thing as an induced murder confession, especially from a juvenile.

As Brendan Dassey said when he testified at his trial, “What I said was false. They got into my head. I told them what they wanted to hear. I guessed at answers, just like I do with my homework.”

In my opinion, Dassey’s statement to Detectives Weigert and Fassbender made on March 1, 2006, should never have been allowed before a jury. Having the confession legally rejected at voir dire would have negated his conviction. There was nothing else to prove his guilt. Also, in my opinion, there’s a high likelihood Brendan Dassey falsely confessed due to psychological manipulation, and he was wrongfully convicted by an admissible false confession.

If that’s the truth, it’s a horrific miscarriage of justice, indeed.

COULD YOU WITHSTAND CIA ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES?

The United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has a 75-year history of covert, creative, and controversial operations. One black classified op is a series of tactics used to forcibly squeeze information out of resistant people. The program is labeled Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Some call it torture. My question is, “Could you withstand CIA Enhanced Interrogation Techniques?”

There’s an interesting history of how the CIA’s interrogation program developed. We’ll get into that in a bit, as well as discuss what constitutes “torture” under domestic and international law. First, let’s get right into the 13 officially sanctioned interrogation techniques used by the CIA. In somewhat of an order of severity, and with a brief description of each method, they are:

1. Abdominal Slap — The purpose was to cause the detainee to feel fear and despair, to punish certain behavior and humiliate or insult the detainee, according to a description in government documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in 2009. The interrogator stands about a foot from the detainee’s stomach and slaps the detainee with the back of his hand. The interrogator’s hand is held with the fingers together and straight and slaps the detainee’s abdomen. The CIA was using this technique prior to 2004 without approval by the Justice Department.

2. Attention Grasp — The interrogator grabs the detainee by the collar, with two hands, and pulls him closer in, according to a description of the technique by former CIA acting general counsel John Rizzo. Rizzo described this technique being used on Al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah in his recent book Company Man.

3. Cramped Confinement — The interrogator would put the detainee in a box, sometimes big enough to stand in, for up to 18 hours, or one only big enough to curl up in for up to two hours, Rizzo said in his book. The interrogator had the option to put a “harmless” insect inside the small box when the technique was used on Zubaydah, because he hated bugs, Rizzo said.

4. Dietary Manipulation — This technique involved switching from solid foods to liquid. For instance, in August 2002, Zubaydah was put on a liquid diet that consisted of Ensure and water, a Senate report said.

5. The Facial Hold — The interrogator holds the detainee’s head so it can’t move and puts one hand on each side of the detainee’s face, keeping fingertips away from the detainee’s eyes, Rizzo explained in his book.

6. The Facial Slap/Insult Slap — The interrogator slaps the detainee in the face, with fingers spread, striking between the chin and earlobe, Rizzo explained in his book. The idea, Rizzo said, was to startle or humiliate the detainee, Zubaydah, and “disabuse him of the notion that he wouldn’t be physically hit.”

7. Nudity — This technique was used with others. For instance, a detainee would be forced to stand for prolonged periods while nude. The detainee would also be paraded nude in front of other detainees. Further, detainees were totally shaven.

8. Stress Positions — The purpose of these techniques is to stimulate mild discomfort from extended muscle use, according to a description in a government document obtained by the ACLU. Two such positions, used on Zubaydah, were to have him sit on the floor with his legs stretched out in front of him and his arms above his head, or kneeling on the floor while leaning back at a 45-degree angle, Rizzo said in his book.

9. Sleep Deprivation — Detainees were kept awake for up to 180 hours, often standing or in a stress position, the Senate report said. Sometimes, the detainees’ hands would be shackled above their heads. At least five detainees had “disturbing hallucinations” during this technique, and in two of those cases, the CIA continued the practice. One detainee, Arsala Khan, hallucinated after 56 hours of standing sleep deprivation in October 2003.

10. Wall Standing — A detainee faces a wall, standing about four feet away. The interrogator has the detainee reach out his arms toward the wall so that his fingers are touching it. The detainee would have to hold that position indefinitely, according to a description by Rizzo about this technique used on Zubaydah.

11. Walling — Interrogators slam detainees against a wall. In one instance, Zubaydah was slammed against a concrete wall, the Senate report said. On March 22, 2003, Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed underwent “intense” questioning and walling. Giving up no new information, interrogators water-boarded him. After an hour of that, he said he was “ready to talk,” the CIA said.

12. Waterboarding — The detainee is strapped to a board or bench, and water is poured over the detainee’s face to simulate drowning. According to the Senate report, the technique brought on convulsions and vomiting, immediate fluid intake, and involuntary leg, chest, and arm spasms. Abu Zubaydah became “completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth.” Zubaydah was described as “hysterical” after these sessions and “distressed to a level that he was unable to effectively communicate.” At one point, Khalid Sheik Mohammad was water-boarded 65 times between the afternoon of March 12, 2003, and the morning of March 13.

13. Water Dousing — Naked detainees were held down on a tarp on the floor, according to the Senate report. The tarp would be pulled up around them to make a bathtub. Cold or refrigerated water would be poured on them. In some cases, detainees were hosed down over and over again as they were naked and shackled, standing in a sleep deprivation pose.

About the Central Intelligence Agency

The CIA (known internally as The Agency) is a civilian foreign intelligence service of the United States federal government. It’s tasked with gathering, processing, and analyzing national security information around the world, primarily using human source intelligence (HUMINT). The CIA also performs covert actions on foreign territory using spies, plants, decoys, and deeply embedded undercover officers.

President Harry Truman formed the CIA in 1946, and it’s now celebrating its seventy-fifth anniversary. Over those years, the CIA had its good and bad moments, one notably being the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt on Cuba which nearly brought down the Kennedy Administration. Another is the handling of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda detainees held and interrogated at black facilities in Europe, Asia, and at the Guantanamo Bay site in Cuba.

Unlike the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the CIA is not a law enforcement agency, The CIA has no powers of arrest or search and seizure. It is autonomous to domestic law enforcement and generally gets an unaccounted reign free from court oversite. The CIA allegedly has a much larger budget than the FBI, but this information is hard to verify.

History of the CIA Enhanced Interrogation Technique Program

Conventional law enforcement agencies and military services like the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines are strictly ruled by tight regulations regarding prisoner treatment, including interrogation tactics. Court admissibility of prisoner statements long established that no evidence is ever admissible where a detainee has been physically or mentally abused, never mind tortured. The armed services are also held to standards like the Geneva Conventions for prisoner-of-war processing. Not so with the CIA.

The Enhanced Interrogation Technique program is an evolutionary product. It started as the US Air Force’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape school (SERE) formed in the Vietnam War era to train downed air crews on withstanding enemy interrogation and torture. The SERE school employed two questionable psychologists, Dr. Jim Mitchell and Dr. Bruce Jessen, who developed scenarios and put the service people through simulated situations such as the 13 techniques previously listed.

Agents at the CIA took a close interest in what was happening at SERE. They contracted Drs. Jessen and Mitchell to reverse engineer the defensive SERE techniques into offensive tactics and train CIA operators as detainee interrogators. The Enhanced Interrogation Technique was under development just as the terrorist attacks occurred on September 11, 2001.

Within days after 911, the Bush Administration decided to treat the attacks as an act of war, opposed to a criminal conspiracy. Part of this planning was deciding how to handle detainees —as captured prisoners of war or as criminals to be tried in the American legal system. As police, the FBI, and the armed services were bound by strict prisoner handling regulations, this left them handcuffed in getting critical information out of high-value captures.

The simple and obvious answer was turning the dirty work over to the CIA and having it done on foreign soil. This led to the notorious black camps and the ‘anything goes’ atmosphere in treating and interrogating detainees like Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Mohammed al-Qahtani. In the thick of things were Mitchell and Jessen who received millions of CIA dollars in fees for running the program.

Digging into the CIA Enhanced Interrogation Technique program is a deep, deep hole. It’s been investigated by numerous committees and subject to reams of reports before it was shut down on Obama’s second day in office. It’s not our purpose here to analyze right from wrong or effectiveness from ineffectiveness. Rather, the question here is could you withstand the CIA’s techniques that could be described as torture?

Definition of Torture

Merriam-Webster defines torture as:

1: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure

2something that causes agony or pain

3: anguish of body or mind; agony

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 had this to say:

Article 3 Absolutely Prohibits torture and other cruel or inhuman treatment and outrages upon individual dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment of prisoners. Violations are serious breaches that constitute war crimes.

The 1984 United Nations Convention Against Torture (UNCAT) expands as follows:

Article 1

For the purposes of this Convention, the term “torture” means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

Article 2

Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial, or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability, or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

Amendment VIII of the United States Constitution reads:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines be imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment be imposed.

These parameters seem very clear to dealing with domestic law breakers and conventional war prisoners. However, examining the CIA’s actions on Taliban and Al-Qaeda detainees finds two loopholes big enough to drive a bus through.

First, the never was a clear declaration of war against these opponents, and it’s rightfully argued that guys like Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Mohammed al-Qahtani were not prisoners-of-war nor charged criminally under US or international law—rather “detainees” in a no-man’s legal land.

Second, protection under the US Constitution wouldn’t’ apply as these “detainees” were not American citizens and were (intentionally) detained and interrogated abroad where US laws wouldn’t apply.

What’s done is done, and it’s had to say what good the CIA’s efforts had on getting critical information from high-value targets. Officially, the program is shelved. Unofficially, who knows what’s still going on.

This post’s purpose isn’t to criticize. It’s just to ask, “Could you withstand CIA Enhanced Interrogation Techniques?”

WOULD YOU BE A GOOD POLICE INTERROGATOR?

Interrogation. Just the word elicits your vision of forcible confinement in a hot and windowless room, shoved in a wooden chair with one leg shorter than others, a bright light from a bare bulb burning over your head, and hulking forms of trench-coated detectives firing hardboiled questions in your face. The truth is different. A lot different. There’s a high skill involved in getting useful information from people, and not everyone is cut out for the job. Are you? Would you be a good police interrogator?

To start, drop the “interrogation” word. It’s not correct to say “interrogation” in today’s professional police procedures. The right terms are “interview” and “dialogue exchange”. And, they’re more applicable because the vast majority of police-civilian interactions are respectful interchanges of relevant information.

I’ve spent a good part of my life talking to people and getting information. I learned long ago that you get more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. I also learned you slide a lot further on bullshit than you do on gravel. I made those principles the core of my information-gathering days. I also practiced another fundamental rule. That’s that the best interrogators interviewers are the best listeners.

Where’s this going? I subscribe to Psychology Today. I recently read a piece by Mary Ellen O’Toole, Ph.D. in her regular column Criminal Minds where she set out ten questions with graded responses to her Are You A Good Listener Test. Dr. Mary Ellen O’Toole was a senior profiler at the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit and author of Dangerous Instincts: How Gut Feelings Betray Us. Here’s her short ten-question exam to see if you would be a good police interrogator. Sorry… police interviewer.

ARE YOU A GOOD LISTENER TEST

1. Typically, how emotional (frightened, insecure, angry, etc.) do I get when I am attempting to interview someone? (Rate this on a scale of 1-3)

1 = very emotional
2 = nonemotional and detached
3 = I remain interested and tempered

2. Typically, how often do I interrupt?

1 = several times during a conversation
2 = just once or twice during a conversation
3 = almost never

3. Do I say things like “What? You have got to be kidding me,” – or- “That reminds me of the time I…” – or – “You think that’s bad, let me tell you about…”

1 = frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

4. Do I roll my eyes, put my head down, shake my head back and forth, throw myself back in my chair, turn away, get up and walk away, show signs of anger or threatening behavior, or otherwise display that I am not paying attention or do not like what the other person is saying?

1 = frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

5. Do I fidget until people stop talking and then immediately respond without considering what they’ve said?

1= frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

6. Do I let my mind wander to all the other things on my “to do” list and keep thinking that I just don’t have the time for this?

1 = frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

7. Do I wait until the nanosecond when the speaker goes to take a breath to pounce on him or her with my opinions?

1 = frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

8. Do I hijack the conversation? For instance by saying something like, “Look we’ve been over this a million times. Your ideas are just not going to work. This is what we are going to do.”

1 = frequently
2 = sometimes
3 = rarely

9. I reflect the person’s thoughts and feelings back to the person I am listening to.

1 = rarely
2 = sometimes
3 = frequently

10. I ask open-ended questions to encourage the other person to talk.

1 = rarely
2 = sometimes
3 = frequently

Total Score = ______

The higher the score – the better your listening skills tend to be and the better interrogator interviewer you would be. Note: This is not a scientific test and has not been validated or otherwise vetted. These opinions are those of Dr. O’Toole and do not represent the views of the FBI.

My experience is that the key to successful information gathering is simply listening to what’s being said. Does it make sense? Does it fit? Does it make you ask more questions? Or does what’s being said to you satisfy what you’re after?

Let me know in the comments how you made out on the test!